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Wanna get HARD...

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Please, the fact that you have to resort to insults shows your maturity.I certainly don't need anything dumbed down lady. You posted info and then argued against your own info. I'm also done arguing with you.
  • NOTE: I'm going to, every so often, post some articles & Info.   Ill indicate a New article by glowing blue stars like so...


    MAKING A BETTER CHOICE! Sometimes we are not inclined to give up some of our favorite foods, but you can make better choices with regards to the options available to you.

    An article by Karlene Karst (she is a registered nutritionist at Bioriginal Foods in Saskatoon) that was handed to me by a friend and trainer.


    • Both have the same amount of calories.   Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 grams.
    • Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over eating the same amount of butter according to a recent Harvard Medical Study
    • Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in other foods.   Butter has many nutritional benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added!
    • Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the flavors of other foods
    • Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has been around for less than 100 years.

    Now for margarine...

    • Very high in Trans Fatty Acids...Triple risk of Coronary Heart Disease
    • Increased total cholesteroll and LDL (this is the bad cholesterol
    • Lowers HDL cholestero (the good cholesterol)
    • Increases the risk of cancers up to five fold
    • Lowers quality of breast milk
    • Decreases immune response
    • Decrease insulin response

    and here is the most disturbing fact....

    Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC...This fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine for life and anything else that is hydrogenated   (this means hydrogen is added, changing   the molecular structure of the substance).

    YOU can try this yourself: purchase a tub of margarine and leave it in your garage or shaded area.   Within a couple days you will note a couple of things : no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it (that should tell you something)...It does not rot or smell differently because it has NO nutritional value, noting will grow on it...even those teeny weeny microorganisms will not find a home to grow.

    Why? Because its nearly plastic.

    Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast?

    Share this with your friends!
SemperFidelis said:
Lowers quality of breast milk

Hmmm...Margerine...good thing I'm not concerned with the quality of my breastmilk ;D

Note of Interest...Did you know that in Quebec, Margerine is required to be a different colour than butter?

Origins: This compilation began circulating on the Internet in June 2003, often under the title "Butter vs. Margarine."

Surprisingly enough, there is a fair bit of truth to it. According to the latest findings in the medical world, margarine can increase the risk of heart disease, depending upon the type of fat contained in the spread. Previously, the dietary villain in the development of coronary disease was presumed to be saturated fat, but new evidence points the finger to trans fat (also known as trans fatty acids). Although butter has its own set of dietary shortcomings, it does not contain trans fat.

In 1994, Harvard University researchers reported that people who ate partially hydrogenated oils, which are high in trans fats, had nearly twice the risk of heart attacks as those who consumed much less of the substance. Several large studies in the United States and elsewhere, including the Nurses' Health Study conducted by researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health, have also suggested a strong link between earlier death and consumption of foods high in trans fat.

Trans fats occur naturally in small amounts in some foods, including meat and dairy products, but most trans fats in the American diet are formed when vegetable oils are chemically changed to give them a longer shelf life. Cookies, potato chips, baked products, and the like are particularly loaded with trans fats.

The Food and Drug Administration, the National Academy, the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute. and the American Heart Association all recommend consumers limit their intake of trans fat wherever possible. Moreover, the federal government has insisted that by 2006 all food labels disclose how much trans fat products contain.

Until that labelling change comes into effect, consumers should be wary of any foodstuff that makes mention of containing "hydrogenated" or "partially hydrogenated" ingredients. They should also not make the mistake of assuming saturated fats are now good for them or no longer pose any danger to their health. This is not a time to be wallowing in butter.

Those still tussling with the "butter versus margarine" controversy, or who just want to know how their margarine stacks up against others might find the following comparison chart informative. Numbers given in grams refer to how many grams of each particular type of fat there are per tablespoon of that brand. (A tablespoon of butter or margarine contains 14 grams.) Numbers given as percentages represent the impact of one tablespoon of that spread on the recommended daily allowance of that substance. Margarines sampled were of the "tub" variety. (The same margarines in "stick" form had consistently higher numbers.) Total Fat Saturated Polyunsaturated Monounsaturated
Butter 11g (17%) 7g (36%) 0 0
I Can't Believe It's Not Butter 10g (15%) 2g (10%) 4.5g 4.5g
I Can't Believe It's Not Butter Light 5g (8%) 1g (5%) 2.5g 1.5g
Parkay 8g (13%) 1.5g (8%) 4g 2g
Fleischmann's 9g (14%) 1.5g (10%) 4g 3g
Blue Bonnet 7g (14%) 1.5g (10%) 3g 2g
Imperial 7g (10%) 1.5g (7%) 3g 1.5g
Country Crock (Shedd's Spread) 7g (10%) 1.5g (7%) 3g 1.5g
Because butter is an animal product, it contains cholesterol, amounting to 30 mg per tablespoon or 10% of the USDA recommended daily allowance. Margarines, because they are non-animal products, do not.

The preceeding chart says nothing about which margarines contain trans fats or how much because this information is not yet included on product labels.

Although a great deal of the information given in the e-mail is valid, one bit of intelligence is nothing more than hyperbole tossed in by the author in an effort to make his point more strongly. The claim that some comestible is but a "single molecule away" from being a decidedly inedible (or even toxic) substance has been applied to a variety of processed foods, but that type of statement (even if it were true) is essentially meaningless. Many disparate substances share similar chemical properties, but even the slightest variation in molecular structure can make a world of difference in the qualities of those substances.

Barbara "gold standard" Mikkelson

Last updated: 19 July 2003
Infanteer said: "I thought this was a porn thread".

Oh man, I laughed for 10 minutes straight when i read that. 

you're a funny guy!!!!
oxygen is one carbon molecule away from being carbon dioxide, should we stop breathing it? ;D
Ladies and gentlemen, when this thread started and looked like it might develop into a good discussion about healthy eating, possibly providing a variety of views and menu options and links, I added it to the Recruiting FAQ. Since it turned into a food fight (pun fully intended), I've removed it from the FAQ.

Please feel free to start a new thread with rational discussion and dietary options for potential recruits and soldiers in training. Also, please keep in mind that varying views do not necessarily indicate that the presenter is wrong or worthy of denigration.
Here's a good thread on health and food.


He's got some interesting viewpoints (I like the caveman diet of meat and greens) and I'm not sure I fully buy all his ideas, but it seems to make sense.  I bought his cookbook/health guide, and D9'er loves it.
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