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Ukraine - Superthread

MilEME09 said:
For the love of God, given the state of tanks in Canada, if we give 14, we better have a plan to replace them, either dump the whole fleet and get 2 Regiments of M1s or buy additional Leopard 2s
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No. We should buy  three regiments worth. 180 at bare minimum, better yet 300 or more.
 
Maxman1 said:
No. We should buy  three regiments worth. 180 at bare minimum, better yet 300 or more.
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I'd love 300, keep the extras in wainwright, gagetown, or maybe Suffield. Reroll 1/2 of reserve armour to tank crews who then go to the bases and use them. Such a plan would require an expansion of RCEME training to build more capacity to maintain these vehicles.
 
“Army res should have proper gunnery stuff” was tried when the Coyote came in service.

It was proven that gunnery skills were so perishable, the PRes Units couldn’t keep skills to a level deemed safe. They just didn’t touch the kit often enough and installing turret sims was too expensive etc.

That was when PRes was training twice as much as today.

Res unit moved to G Wagons with C6s with hand-cranked slew rings or whatever they were mounted on up top. That became its own clusterfuck.

Maybe we could learn some stuff from Guard units to the south…
 
PRes are now using vehicles with MWS mounted MG, so there’s a semblance of mounted gunnery back. Setting aside the other issue of massive ammunition shortages, if I’ve heard correctly.
 
Russian Brigade Commander polls his officers - "Frankly we'd rather be on vacation".

www.express.co.uk

Putin humiliated as Russian troops vote to down arms and head home

Russian soldiers appear far from convinced that they should be waging war in Ukraine.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

according to a secret poll carried out by a brigade commander. .... the commander asked his officers whether they wanted to kill Ukrainians every day.

To his dismay all but one indicated that they would rather not and would "prefer to go on vacation, and stay alive".
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researchers found that in the week between November 28 to December 4, over 66,000 queries were made using the phrase "how to surrender". This compares with an average of 10,000 such searches per week during the previous five months.
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Russian soldiers based in Belarus fled their barracks near Minsk with weapons.

Military authorities launched a search for the deserters, setting up checkpoints on surrounding roads.
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conscripted soldiers posted another video message to social media, complain about their treatment.

The soldiers come from the Belgorod region and were trained as artillerymen.

Despite this, they were sent in as infantry to be used as cannon fodder.
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I don’t give equal comparison of TAPV “gunnery” to MBT. The semblance is minimal, maybe even notional, to me.


Compared to…


It’s been a while since I’ve been in a turret or an AFV so I’d be happy to be wrong on that but, Pres “turret skills” probably left with the Cougars.
 
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Eye In The Sky said:
I don’t give equal comparison of TAPV “gunnery” to MBT. The semblance is minimal, maybe even notional, to me.

It’s been a while since I’ve been in a turret or an AFV so I’d be happy to be wrong on that but, Pres “turret skills” probably left with the Cougars.
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Perhaps we should look how our allies maintain those very skills and apply them here. Pretty sure if our allies can do it, it's not impossible leadership just lacks the will to make it work.
 
MilEME09 said:
Perhaps we should look how our allies maintain those very skills and apply them here. Pretty sure if our allies can do it, it's not impossible leadership just lacks the will to make it work.
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I think the will is there in the Cdn Army leadership, but they don’t have the funding. For vehicles. Fuel. Ammo. Pay.

Army National Guard

Army National Guard
www.nationalguard.com www.nationalguard.com

Army National Guard

Army National Guard
www.nationalguard.com www.nationalguard.com
 
MilEME09 said:
Perhaps we should look how our allies maintain those very skills and apply them here. Pretty sure if our allies can do it, it's not impossible leadership just lacks the will to make it work.
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This costs a lot of money. We can’t sustain it in our small Reg force tank forces.

Imagine trying to make this happen in our PRes. Impossible.

 
daftandbarmy said:
The Big Cod sends...

Canada probably could provide 50 tanks to Ukraine: retired general​

"Many of the tanks are in poor condition, but we can make sure they are operational, ready to go for the Ukrainians," retired Canadian general Rick Hillier told Power & Politics Wednesday. "It would cost us some effort, certainly, but I'd like to see it happen."

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Seems par for the course for the big cod. He tried to get rid or our tanks before.
 
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