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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

Jarnhamar

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This guy Liberals.

Steven Del Duca Announces Liberals Will Ban Handguns Provincewide


TORONTO – An Ontario Liberal government will ban handguns across the province in its first year in office, Ontario Liberal Leader Steven Del Duca announced today in his party’s latest platform plank release.

“I’ve had it with Doug Ford’s open for business policy for guns.” Del Duca said, “The Ford Conservatives are putting the interests of the gun lobby ahead of the Ontario victims of gun crime they swore an oath to protect. The result is handgun violence is spiraling out of control. The choice on handguns is clear, more handguns and gun crime under the Ford Conservatives or a ban on handguns under the Ontario Liberals.”
 

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This is part of C-71, which is being implemented in stages. No surprises here.

What really scares me is the great unknown of the next gun control bill to be tabled.
 

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Seems like it would be rather easy to overload the RCMP with paperwork on this. Bob sells his firearm to Ted. Ted sells his firearm to Nick. Nick sells his firearm back to Bob. Repeat....

They can't even process license renewals before your license expires as it is now
 

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I'm on PAL 6 or 7 right now. I never had any long waits. About a two week turnaround. This year, my PAL expired while the application was in process. The whole thing took 6 or 7 months.

Savvy gun owners already see a way around this new registration. They are going to make a mockery of this new registry. They will get next to zero participation from gun owners on this. Even less than the last time they tried. There's millions of NR long guns out there that have never been captured. There will still be millions of unregistered NR long guns out there on the 14th of May and for years to come.

Registration = Confiscation

Socialist governments, like trudeau's, don't confiscate firearms to keep society safe. They confiscate firearms to keep themselves safe from society.
 

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Seems like it would be rather easy to overload the RCMP with paperwork on this. Bob sells his firearm to Ted. Ted sells his firearm to Nick. Nick sells his firearm back to Bob. Repeat....

They can't even process license renewals before your license expires as it is now
Its only overload if they actually cared about the result. It doesn’t matter to them if transfers take 2 hours, 2 days, or 2 years.

If anything the less convenient the process is the better it is from the governments perspective as it discourages firearms ownership.
 

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I watched the Public Safety minister's announcement of the implementation of the "not-a-long-gun-registry" registry. It was nauseating to watch how he pandered to the special interest groups in the room who support the Liberal's disarmament agenda. It was also evident when he was talking about "assault-style" firearms that Le Dauphin has taught him well.
 

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I watched the Public Safety minister's announcement of the implementation of the "not-a-long-gun-registry" registry. It was nauseating to watch how he pandered to the special interest groups in the room who support the Liberal's disarmament agenda. It was also evident when he was talking about "assault-style" firearms that Le Dauphin has taught him well.

"We've made this decision in conjunction with our stakeholders."

What stakeholders? Poly Souvent? Wendy Cukier? Coalition for Gun Control, Doctors 4 Gun Safety, Doctors For Protection from Guns? I'm pretty sure the CCFR and the CSSA weren't invited to the table.
 

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I'm pretty sure the CCFR and the CSSA weren't invited to the table.
You can take that to the bank. Poly, CD4PG, CFGC number in the tens to maybe hundreds of members. The radical fringe minority comprised of CCFR, CSSA, NFA, SFC, OFAH, IPSC Canada etc., number in the hundreds of thousands. But who gets government money to work on gun issues? Not the fringe.
 

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You can take that to the bank. Poly, CD4PG, CFGC number in the tens to maybe hundreds of members. The radical fringe minority comprised of CCFR, CSSA, NFA, SFC, OFAH, IPSC Canada etc., number in the hundreds of thousands. But who gets government money to work on gun issues? Not the fringe.

The loudest ones, which are loudest because the media parrots them and gives legal gun owners no air time at all.
 

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I agree with the premise of requiring sellers to confirm that a buyer has a valid firearms license. I would also support keeping records of whom firearms are sold to and who is in possession of them if it weren't for the threat of sweeping firearm confiscations.

I won't knock others for having a different opinion but personally I'd be more than happy to let the government know how many guns I have and what types if I was confident it wouldn't be used against me.
 

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I agree with the premise of requiring sellers to confirm that a buyer has a valid firearms license. I would also support keeping records of whom firearms are sold to and who is in possession of them if it weren't for the threat of sweeping firearm confiscations.

I won't knock others for having a different opinion but personally I'd be more than happy to let the government know how many guns I have and what types if I was confident it wouldn't be used against me.

That's precisely the problem. Not only do they expect regular joe gun owner to verify your pal is valid they also expect them to check your drivers license to verify you are who you say you are.

If someone presents fake credentials how is regular joe gun owner to tell? Then when a crime is committed with that gun joe will be charged for improperly selling a firearm and his life ruined because he didn't notice the fake credentials.
 

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I agree with the premise of requiring sellers to confirm that a buyer has a valid firearms license. I would also support keeping records of whom firearms are sold to and who is in possession of them if it weren't for the threat of sweeping firearm confiscations.

I won't knock others for having a different opinion but personally I'd be more than happy to let the government know how many guns I have and what types if I was confident it wouldn't be used against me.

Exactly my feelings.

But then I see what a certain sect of my fellow firearms owners post and and hear them express their positions and I shake my head.

Some members of our community are our worst enemies.
 
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