Recruiting !!!

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Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:01:39 -0600
There is random testing. I was once tested 4 times in a month it seemed
like whenever I changed locations. So I guess its sort of like playing
Russian Roulette.
Don
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Subject: Re: recruiting
> Dave really explained the drug testing well, but I what chaps my *** is
this
> After enrolled, and cleared as far as drug usage is concerned, one is
bound
> only by his word is he not? Is there any further REGULAR testing after the
> initial medical exam, or is it left up to, "No, Sir... I‘m clean"...???
> Don‘t know how readily I‘d take the word of a guy who clearly has
> compromising integrity in the first place.
>
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Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:04:33 -0600
As far as I know the policy is still the same. You can‘t have used
marijuana for 6 months.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christine Fontaine
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> Just de-lurking briefly...
>
> I know several people in the Forces about 4 of them who are very good
> friends who, when they were ‘young and crazy‘ smoked pot, back in the
> 70s when they were in high school.
>
> They admitted to such during their interviews now granted, this was
> back in the 80s, so I daresay recruiting has changed since then and
> they were accepted - they just had to be able to honestly say that they
> had not touched the stuff in years and would never do so again.
>
> So, at least in the past, the CF accepted people who were honest about
> their past experiences with drugs. Whether this is still the case
> today, I have no idea.
>
> --- John Gow wrote:
> > Good question!
> >
> > Why should the Forces hire a doper?
> >
> > Being honest enough to admit it may well be an extenuating
> > circumstance,
> > admittedly...because if you are both a doper and a liar, that‘s
> > plainly at
> > least one strike too many....
> >
> > But if it was my butt on the line, and I was being caused to execute
> > a
> > Command Decision that was made by someone that was known for
> > substance
> > abuse, poor judgement, mental problems, or whatever other excuse led
> > to
> > unlawful experimentation with narcotics...
> >
> > Well, leave that thought hang, shall we?
> >
> > Does the CF hire people to be Privates? No, not really...they hire
> > them to
> > be all they can be...meaning they WANT to promote extend and get all
> > they
> > can out of every individual.
> >
> > So someone that would break laws, lack a self control in making that
> > "experimentation" in an illegal drug, whatever, must be viewed with
> > some
> > askance...
> >
> > Now, its not heroin, will give you that, and its possibly not
> > immedately
> > addictive, and certainly more than one individual has come back from
> > it...so
> > being honest would give you a pretty good head start on gaining any
> > forgiveness available...
> >
> > But if you "did the stuff", and failed to admit it, well the System
> > is
> > especially unforgiving to liars....and in my view, rightly so....
> >
> > Not that I make the rules...
> >
> > John
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dave"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: recruiting
> >
> >
> > > Not if you are totally honest, and do not hide anything...
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "brian ."
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:17 AM
> > > Subject: recruiting
> > >
> > >
> > > > I recently applied for the army and am at the aptitude testing
> > stage.
> > > > I‘ve smoked marijuana a few times, will I be denied enrolement
> > when I do
> > > my
> > > > medical?
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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Posted by "brian ." <strangedays5@hotmail.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:34:09 -0400
oh no I‘m a doper! I guess I can‘t be trusted eh! I had a beer the other
night so I must be alcoholic too! come on people , get real. I‘m in good
health , great shape ,very motivated. get over the 30‘s propaganda mentality
already.
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Posted by Jean-Francois Menicucci <menicucci@videotron.ca> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:21:42 -0400
Hey Brian relax,
If you were an occasional smoker of whatever subtance just chill.
90 of the Canadian population did "recreational drugs".
As for the test, well they can see it up to six months, the drugs test are
really simple.
But when you will arrives to the interview process and the officer will ask you
to identify what subtance you used in the past just be frank and honest.
Part that just relax and enjoy the summer
JF
NB: Guys remember Cpl Cloutier famous at OKA well he was discharged because
he admitted to had used cocaine on one occassion two years previously his
enlistment during a magazine interview..
I wonder how good his porn career is now :
"brian ." wrote:
> oh no I‘m a doper! I guess I can‘t be trusted eh! I had a beer the other
> night so I must be alcoholic too! come on people , get real. I‘m in good
> health , great shape ,very motivated. get over the 30‘s propaganda mentality
> already.
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:29:52 EDT
Brian,
You asked this list for frank comments and advice. You don‘t like how it
was presented? Didn‘t think those with much time in and, and who are very
distinguished said it the right way?
Bugger off then.


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Posted by Adam Wainwright <ajmw@home.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:38:33 -0700
You need to make that clear to the recuiter as well then.
AW
"brian ." wrote:
> oh no I‘m a doper! I guess I can‘t be trusted eh! I had a beer the other
> night so I must be alcoholic too! come on people , get real. I‘m in good
> health , great shape ,very motivated. get over the 30‘s propaganda mentality
> already.
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Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@fastq.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:04:47 -0700
If you‘re interested, Sir... e-mail me off the list.. I have lots of facts
and figures regarding that. I do a lot of HR-related work in my current
position. Even though we have an HR person, I handle the Safety Program,
Workers‘ Comp issues, and now, the Drug Program....
It might be better if you e-mail me at work, where I have the info:
marshall.macfarlane@rrs.cc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Schepens"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> I saw some numbers I teach Human Resources Management at a college in
> Edmonton that say drugs cost Americans about $30 billion per year.
>
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
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Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:01:23 -0600
I appreciate the offer but I think that I‘m OK for now. Where do you work
at?
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: The MacFarlanes‘
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> If you‘re interested, Sir... e-mail me off the list.. I have lots of facts
> and figures regarding that. I do a lot of HR-related work in my current
> position. Even though we have an HR person, I handle the Safety Program,
> Workers‘ Comp issues, and now, the Drug Program....
> It might be better if you e-mail me at work, where I have the info:
> marshall.macfarlane@rrs.cc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Schepens"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:59 AM
> Subject: Re: recruiting
>
>
> > I saw some numbers I teach Human Resources Management at a college in
> > Edmonton that say drugs cost Americans about $30 billion per year.
> >
> > Don
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
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Posted by "John Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:19:00 -0400
Well, lets think this through...
You voluntarily partake of illegal substances, against the law of the
Country...and hereby exhibit zero remorse, which is a fairly strong argument
that the last time was neither the first nor the last...
You ask for advice on how you may circumvent telling the truth, and fear on
how you may be checked in the future...
Thus, to my limited thinking, shoing that you intend to continue, and have a
druggie like paranoia of being exposed as liar, to the point that your word
is hardly your bond...and therefor you cannot be believed. So your "sworn
statements" mean zero, because you are wilingly prepared to lie to your own
perceived advantage...
Yes...there are all sorts of disabilities and acquired problems, in life and
therefor in the CF as well. A lot of the people with the have them through
no fault of their own.
It is my particular position remembering I, too, have the same right of
free speach that those with an acquired alcohol problem are a whole lot
different from those that voluntarily take illegal drugs.
And again, since its a free forum to speak, in my opinion, the CF needs no
"yahoo‘s" that do not respect the law of our Country, because this would be
the total discredit of said Country when we send soldiers to other countries
to uphold international law....quite apart from my personal repugnance of
taking or giving orders to some clown who is doped, and must grasp for some
way to lie about it....
I‘ve been called old, I‘ve been called crusty, I‘ve been called wrong, but
frankly I do not care...I would not hire you, saying what you do, to the
Military or to a civilian job...
So drink your beer, smoke your rope, shoot up if you must mainline, and just
stay out of my face
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian ."
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: recruiting a doper
> oh no I‘m a doper! I guess I can‘t be trusted eh! I had a beer the other
> night so I must be alcoholic too! come on people , get real. I‘m in good
> health , great shape ,very motivated. get over the 30‘s propaganda
mentality
> already.
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Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@fastq.com> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:19:56 -0700
I am the Facilities Manager, at a metal stamping factory in Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Schepens"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> I appreciate the offer but I think that I‘m OK for now. Where do you work
> at?
>
> Don
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Posted by "jupiter lunar" <lunar_jupiter@hotmail.com> on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:33:21 -0000
hey buddy who told you you were a doper beer is great we are aloud to drink just warning you stop smoking weed for a while like it is a big deal alot of people smoke it so you are cool! well if you would like to know I am not stuck in the 30‘sGet Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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Posted by "jupiter lunar" <lunar_jupiter@hotmail.com> on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:40:33 -0000
excuse me sir Iam not some pot head and iam just telling the guy that hopefully if he had tried that stuff then it better not of been very recently or he is absolutly screwed and sorry but i know what direction im goingdown and it 90 miles to my future of success and iam very determined to get there and not willing to let anyone stop me either so iam sure iam not going to screw it up myselfover something so irresponsible
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Posted by "David" <LieutenantDave@specwarnet.net> on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:48:25 -0400
some punctuation wouldn‘t hurt, would it?
As long as he is honest, and doesn‘t do it again, he should be just
fine.

----- Original Message -----
From: jupiter lunar
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
excuse me sir Iam not some pot head and iam just telling the guy that
hopefully if he had tried that stuff then it better not of been very
recently or he is absolutly screwed and sorry but i know what direction
im going down and it 90 miles to my future of success and iam very
determined to get there and not willing to let anyone stop me either so
iam sure iam not going to screw it up myself over something so
irresponsible

good day!
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some punctuation wouldn‘t hurt, would
it?
As long as he is honest, and doesn‘t do
it again,
he should be just fine.
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001
11:40
PM
Subject: Re: recruiting





excuse me sir Iam not some pot head and iam just telling the guy
that
hopefully if he had tried that stuff then it better not of been very
recently
or he is absolutly screwed and sorry but i know what direction im
goingdown and it 90 miles to my future of success and iam very
determined to get there and not willing to let anyone stop me either
so iam
sure iam not going to screw it up myselfover something so

irresponsible


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Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:20:21 -0600
Sounds like Burgess or one of the other twits.
----- Original Message -----
From: jupiter lunar
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
excuse me sir Iam not some pot head and iam just telling the guy that
hopefully if he had tried that stuff then it better not of been very
recently or he is absolutly screwed and sorry but i know what direction
im going down and it 90 miles to my future of success and iam very
determined to get there and not willing to let anyone stop me either so
iam sure iam not going to screw it up myself over something so
irresponsible

good day!
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Sounds like Burgess or one of the other
twits.
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001
9:40
PM
Subject: Re: recruiting





excuse me sir Iam not some pot head and iam just telling the guy
that
hopefully if he had tried that stuff then it better not of been very
recently
or he is absolutly screwed and sorry but i know what direction im
goingdown and it 90 miles to my future of success and iam very
determined to get there and not willing to let anyone stop me either
so iam
sure iam not going to screw it up myselfover something so

irresponsible


n
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pnbsp
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Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:19:37 -0600
I‘m up in Edmonton, Alberta.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: The MacFarlanes‘
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: recruiting
> I am the Facilities Manager, at a metal stamping factory in Arizona
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Schepens"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:01 PM
> Subject: Re: recruiting
>
>
> > I appreciate the offer but I think that I‘m OK for now. Where do you
work
> > at?
> >
> > Don
>
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Posted by Adam Wainwright <ajmw@home.com> on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:26:07 -0700
Well said John!
John Gow wrote:
> Well, lets think this through...
>
> You voluntarily partake of illegal substances, against the law of the
> Country...and hereby exhibit zero remorse, which is a fairly strong argument
> that the last time was neither the first nor the last...
>
> You ask for advice on how you may circumvent telling the truth, and fear on
> how you may be checked in the future...
>
> Thus, to my limited thinking, shoing that you intend to continue, and have a
> druggie like paranoia of being exposed as liar, to the point that your word
> is hardly your bond...and therefor you cannot be believed. So your "sworn
> statements" mean zero, because you are wilingly prepared to lie to your own
> perceived advantage...
>
> Yes...there are all sorts of disabilities and acquired problems, in life and
> therefor in the CF as well. A lot of the people with the have them through
> no fault of their own.
>
> It is my particular position remembering I, too, have the same right of
> free speach that those with an acquired alcohol problem are a whole lot
> different from those that voluntarily take illegal drugs.
>
> And again, since its a free forum to speak, in my opinion, the CF needs no
> "yahoo‘s" that do not respect the law of our Country, because this would be
> the total discredit of said Country when we send soldiers to other countries
> to uphold international law....quite apart from my personal repugnance of
> taking or giving orders to some clown who is doped, and must grasp for some
> way to lie about it....
>
> I‘ve been called old, I‘ve been called crusty, I‘ve been called wrong, but
> frankly I do not care...I would not hire you, saying what you do, to the
> Military or to a civilian job...
>
> So drink your beer, smoke your rope, shoot up if you must mainline, and just
> stay out of my face
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brian ."
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:34 PM
> Subject: recruiting a doper
>
> > oh no I‘m a doper! I guess I can‘t be trusted eh! I had a beer the other
> > night so I must be alcoholic too! come on people , get real. I‘m in good
> > health , great shape ,very motivated. get over the 30‘s propaganda
> mentality
> > already.
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Posted by Adam Wainwright <ajmw@home.com> on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:32:50 -0700
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Take everything with a grain of salt, if you did it - FINE - just admit
it. OK all is said and done. From Johns blastings you can see the view
of many in the forces. Many may be old but they know there sh*t and
they are they are the best in the world at what they do. Understand it
and work around it. Another thing that I would be worried about, is
your lack of english grammar composition. That will hamper you more
then anything else in the forces.
-Adam
jupiter lunar wrote:
>
>
>
> excuse me sir Iam not some pot head and iam just telling the guy that
> hopefully if he had tried that stuff then it better not of been very
> recently or he is absolutly screwed and sorry but i know what
> direction im going down and it 90 miles to my future of success and
> iam very determined to get there and not willing to let anyone stop me
> either so iam sure iam not going to screw it up myself over something
> so
> irresponsible
> good day!
>
>
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Take everything with a grain of salt, if you did it - FINE - just admit
it. OK all is said and done. From Johns blastings you can see
the view of many in the forces. Many may be old but they know there
sh*t and they are they are the best in the world at what they do.
Understand it and work around it. Another thing that I would be worried
about, is your lack of english grammar amp composition. That will
hamper you more then anything else in the forces.
-Adam
jupiter lunar wrote:
excuse me sir Iam not some pot head and iam just telling the
guy that hopefully if he had tried that stuff then it better not of been
very recently or he is absolutly screwed and sorry but i know what direction
im going down and it 90 miles to my future of success and iam very determined
to get there and not willing to let anyone stop me either so iam sure iam
not going to screw it up myself over something so irresponsible
good day!
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