Phoenix Pay System - Shit's Horrible

[Gsc]

That is considered a lump sum (for income tax), even if you received nothing.

That's why you will likely need someone in DMPAP to make a correction.

It's been forwarded to DMPAP I've been told. It's seems a bit ridiculous that a title change with no change in pay results in -10,000 charge and over 55% of my income this year is gone to federal tax all of a sudden. There's no need to re pay me what I've already received exactly. Now I get to spend the next year under financial hardship while the staff who messed everything up keep collecting their proper pay and couldn't care less, and will continue to do their jobs wrong without repercussion

 

[dapaterson]

If I understand what happened, this sounds like a clerk working to make an amendment at their level, rather than pushing it to someone with Correction mode access.

The acts of cancelling and republishing the promotion each triggered a pay action - the first to recover the acting pay, the second to reissue it.

I think the better approach probably would have been to have a senior clerk with Correction mode access to change the data in the promotion row from Acting to Substantive, which would not have triggered CCPS action. That said, I'm not positive whether such a change is possible.

 

[Gsc]

If I understand what happened, this sounds like a clerk working to make an amendment at their level, rather than pushing it to someone with Correction mode access.

The acts of cancelling and republishing the promotion each triggered a pay action - the first to recover the acting pay, the second to reissue it.

I think the better approach probably would have been to have a senior clerk with Correction mode access to change the data in the promotion row from Acting to Substantive, which would not have triggered CCPS action. That said, I'm not positive whether such a change is possible.

What will DMPAP do now then? How can I possibly be on the hook for 10,000$ because a clerk forgot to make me substantive three years ago and my pay in no way changed

 

[dapaterson]

Again stressing that I don't have access the systems in question, and thus this could be 100% wrong, DMPAP may be able to manually intervene in your pay file and delete the two pay actions.

Your situation is uncommon, and I don't think the UPK for Guardian covers it. Clerks don't generally have detailed knowledge and training in unusual situations, nor detailed knowledge in the potential implications of cancelling and republishing a rank change that affects multiple taxation years.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

18 pages so far. Are the problems we see in this forum still ongoing? How many OR's are affected by ongoing problems with Phoenix?

 

[dangerboy]

18 pages so far. Are the problems we see in this forum still ongoing? How many OR's are affected by ongoing problems with Phoenix?

One thing to remember is that CAF pay does not use Phoenix, The CAF uses a different pay system(s). DND public employees use Phoenix.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

One thing to remember is that CAF pay does not use Phoenix, The CAF uses a different pay system(s). DND public employees use Phoenix.

Cheers.

 

[daftandbarmy]

One thing to remember is that CAF pay does not use Phoenix, (YET) The CAF uses a different pay system(s) (FOR NOW). DND public employees use Phoenix.

There, FTFY

 

[Kirkhill]

It seems that the solution to the Phoenix pay system may lie with a Ukrainian hacker in a trench in the Donbas.

One resource-management software project started in a military unit that was looking to make payroll easier after onboarding so many new soldiers. Programmers who once built such systems for private companies as part of Ukraine’s sprawling technology-outsourcing sector turned to building an open-source system for automating payroll calculations. Now they are building other modules to the software to cover things such as equipment storage, according to people involved in the project...