Actually happen to be actively working on this at the moment, but high capacity li-ion battery fires are something else. Even a small e-bike will easily burn down a house, and cars have 100 times the battery capacity.All that water... not very enviro-friendly it seems
Motor Mouth: The scary business of putting out an EV fire
I now know more about fire engines than I ever thought would be necessary. For instance, did you know fire trucks and fire engines are not the same thing? An engine, as it turns out, is the vehicle that carries and pumps the water; a “truck,” on the other hand carries hardware, emergency gear, and perhaps the ladders required to reach the upper floors of tall buildings, but no water.
I also know, mainly because I couldn’t believe the numbers that I am going to spring on you, that fire engines generally hold between 500 and 1,500 gallons of water. The norm is about 750 gallons, but let’s be generous — and also avoid some difficult math down the road — and call it an even 1,000.
The reason you’re going to need that long division is that, according to an article by the International Association of Fire and Rescue Services — which quotes Austin Fire Department Division Chief Thayer Smith — it can take as many as 40,000 gallons of water to completely extinguish a roaring Tesla fire. That is — and now you see why I rounded up — equivalent to 40 fire engines. Even the lowest estimate I could find for extinguishing an EV — 8,000 gallons — would challenge any fire department, if some kind of reservoir wasn’t close by.
Motor Mouth: The scary business of putting out an EV fire
Careful, your social credit score may suffer if you spread unplatitudes counter to the PM’s convict minister’s militant environmentalist plans…People seem to misunderstand EV fires. They are not like the conventional fire where if you remove 1 leg of the fire triangle the fire goes out. In an EV battery fire the fire is not the primary problem and usually cannot be extinguished until the primary problem is solved. The primary problem with battery fires is the large amount of stored energy leaving the battery in a rather uncontrolled manner. When it does so it creates a massive amount of heat which starts everything around it that is flammable on fire. Until the battery is discharged (or the cells stop shorting out which is unlikely once a fire has been ignited by the heat since most battery casings will burn at some point) it is nearly impossible to stop the fire. Dry chemical won't work, CO may knock it down temporarily but all that really can be done is to try to cool it and the surrounding area with lots of water or dump a really large quantity of sand on it to smother the fire until the energy dump is done. Take a look at that E-bus fire in Paris or the damage done to the bus barns that were burnt to the ground in Germany. It is terrifying.
Because of where I work I have to recertify my fire fighting training every year. I hate electrical fires but at least at work we can cool the area as required while the electricians isolate the power source which solves the problem and then we put out the fire. EVs not so much.
As for the E-scooters I say good riddance. In Edmonton they were supposed to be the solution for everyone's green transportation. In reality the rental E-scooters were dumped anywhere it was convenient such as in the middle of the street, on peoples lawns, in parks etc. Finally even our ultra left wing mayor had enough and got rid of them.
Not to mention the assholes that ride them on sidewalks and walking trails.As for the E-scooters I say good riddance. In Edmonton they were supposed to be the solution for everyone's green transportation. In reality the rental E-scooters were dumped anywhere it was convenient such as in the middle of the street, on peoples lawns, in parks etc. Finally even our ultra left wing mayor had enough and got rid of them.
The Ontario Liberal government added it to building Code regulations but the current Conservatives dropped it.I don't know of any Canada building code updates for having car chargers
so glad parking garages have sprinklers.
I don't know why it is but we seem to have more of these things per capita than anyplace else on the planet. I am long out of the enforcement regulations but quite frankly I can't keep track of them. Mopeds, mobility devices, e-bikes where you have to pedal, e-bikes where you don't, and on and on. We have a couple of 'mobility devices' that are totally enclosed 4-wheeled vehicles. Some you can ride on trails and sidewalks, some you can't. The scary part is no licence or training required, so we get these numptys riding down the right side of the roadway then turn left in front of you without even looking.Not to mention the assholes that ride them on sidewalks and walking trails.
E Bikes? Hey fatty stop the e biking and pedal the damn thing.
The scary part is no licence or training required, so we get these numptys riding down the right side of the roadway then turn left in front of you without even looking.
Some valid points but the learning curve won't be near as comparable. Most of the "death, pain and suffering" came from the action and interaction of the individual platforms, not their power source.My biggest concern with EVs and their batteries is that through out history Mankind learns most its lessons through death, pain and suffering. It has taken us 140 years to get ICE cars to the safety levels that they are at now. We have done this because of the sheer number of people dead and maimed over the years. I shudder to think of what the butcher's bill will be for EVs. This is particularly bad when there isn't any good reason to replace the ICE vehicles in the first place and the EVs can't do even 10% of what the ICEs can.
I was watching a video about the Chinese manufactured EVs that are causing carnage on their roads right now. The worst part is that it isn't just the cheap ones burning up, even the expensive ones seem to be prone to burning with no notice. Like lenaitch said how many houses, apartment building, condos etc are going to burn down from charger/battery malfunctions in their parking areas. I personally wouldn't have an EV parked in/charging in a structure where my family and I live. The risk is just too high.
They will be producing in 2025 whilst we will still be having environmental assessment hearings for the mining in Ontario. Another opportunity squandered.....