HMCS Chicoutimi at sea off Korea, CBC story

[Cloud Cover]

how about the word "being", like human being. Although there will be a squabble over whoever gets to become the "supreme being". 

 

[MTShaw]

BTW, I think I may have sailed on submarines before you were born.

Enough said.

And, my apologies to all the people I may have offended by using seaman. It got me thinking, however: when are the NDA and QR&O's going to be corrected and updated? I mean, we obviously now have Ordinary Seaperson, Able Seaperson, Leading Seaperson and Master Seaperson. The ranks table has to be modified.  ;D

Off by one year OGBD.  ;D
Thanks for addressing my statement. Asking these type of questions/statements is one way for me to learn about the military in general, and the navy in particular.

Plus I love warships 2000-ish and up and our frigates of course.

 

[Underway]

Seakind is the correct term.  Rhymes with be kind.  *out virtue signals everyone*

 

[kratz]

Life in the RCN is not a video game.    :facepalm:

 

[jollyjacktar]

If it is, l want a better looking avatar.  The one l have now, sucks.

 

[winnipegoo7]

All Canadian frigates have ELINT capability, thats public record. A submarine has the stealth that a frigate does not. Not going to say more than that.

Sub:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/business-defence-acquisition-guide-2015/naval-systems-904.page


Frigate:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/business-defence-acquisition-guide-2015/naval-systems-905.page

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/business-defence-acquisition-guide-2015/naval-systems-906.page

 

[dimsum]

It's called the silent service for a reason. There is reason to keep our naval's spies from being compromised. It has absolutely nothing to do with shame.

Hell, submariners wear "dolphins" on their uniforms.  If you know what they look like (and they're on a pretty conspicuous part of the uniform) then it's like a neon sign saying "I'm a submariner".  Not really something that "spies" would do.

 

[Sub_Guy]

It's my understanding that among the tasks of a Canadian SSK is Sigint. Sigint is intelligence: as in Signal Intelligence. If I were order naval personnel to do Sigint, I would not have a frigate perform that task.

SIGINT?  I doubt it.  They don’t even have a NESOP onboard.  At least they didn’t when I was on boats.  Your average radar detector in your car is probably more complicated than the ESM suite on the Victoria class..

As for the silent service bit, I had always assumed that it was because we snuck around under the waves undetected, you know, silently...

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

SIGINT?  I doubt it.  They don’t even have a NESOP onboard.  At least they didn’t when I was on boats.  Your average radar detector in your car is probably more complicated than the ESM suite on the Victoria class..

As for the silent service bit, I had always assumed that it was because we snuck around under the waves undetected, you know, silently...

Thw Navy's very own SCREEN and GUARD force  ;D

Armoured Recce screens the battlespace, submarines screen the battlespace; therefore armoured recce = submarines!

Premise, Premise, Conclusion! 

As a result, all TAPVs will henceforth be referred to as Land Boats!

 

[dapaterson]

TAPV.  VASA.  Compare.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

SIGINT?  I doubt it.  They don’t even have a NESOP onboard.

First of all DH, Sigint is usually done by communications people, not sensor op. Second, there are all sorts of levels and involvement with Sigint. Nobody is suggesting that either  a ship or a submarine can actually collect, compile, code break, analyze and develop the intelligence information all by themselves.

But there are all sorts of things that anyone can do to contribute to Sigint, and some more than others for various reasons.

Heck! In the early 80's, on the Gate vessels of all ships, we had this beautiful (all lamps - no transistors - and hand tuned) Marconi multi-freq general purpose receiver. Whenever we were near those Soviet fishing vessels and fishing processing ships, we always tried to tune in to their comms and when we did manage, we simply recorded on small tape recorders with particulars of day, time and location to turn in to Marcom HQ upon return. That's Sigint at its simplest level.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

therefore armoured recce = submarines!

Sure! That will be so only when the TAPV's can take out an enemy tank regiment by itself and live to see the end of the day.

A submarine can take out the enemy's carrier, possibly a couple of the escorts and still have a better than even chance of escaping from its escort's attempt at revenge.  ;D

 

[jollyjacktar]

The TAPV does have a " boat shaped hull", maybe they can have an associate membership?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Sure! That will be so only when the TAPV's can take out an enemy tank regiment by itself and live to see the end of the day.

A submarine can take out the enemy's carrier, possibly a couple of the escorts and still have a better than even chance of escaping from its escort's attempt at revenge.  ;D

Why use military logic when you can use Trump logic?

"We are going to build a wall with Mexico! China's got a wall, they don't have a Mexican Problem!"

See! Premise, Premise, Conclusion!

The TAPV does have a " boat shaped hull", maybe they can have an associate membership?

Honorary Captain Status!  Splendid!

 

[Underway]

Why use military logic when you can use Trump logic?

"We are going to build a wall with Mexico! China's got a wall, they don't have a Mexican Problem!"

See! Premise, Premise, Conclusion!

Honorary Captain Status!  Splendid!

Captain(N) or just second black hatter Captain.

 

[Sub_Guy]

First of all DH, Sigint is usually done by communications people, not sensor op. Second, there are all sorts of levels and involvement with Sigint. Nobody is suggesting that either  a ship or a submarine can actually collect, compile, code break, analyze and develop the intelligence information all by themselves.

I know who does SIGINT, I’m also aware that SIGINT can be performed using the simple pieces of kit.  You could use a Motorola PTT from Canadian Tire if you wanted to.

SIGINT/COMINT/ELINT are areas in which we are severely lacking in the CAF.  The point I was trying to make was that if we aren’t going to take the simple function of ESM seriously on the Vic, then I seriously doubt that there are Comms Research folks onboard or analyzing comms recordings from the Chi back home.