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Haitian leaders must all agree before Canada would lead a potential military intervention, Trudeau says

U.S. has suggested Canada could lead a multinational force in Haiti

Dylan Robertson · The Canadian Press · Posted: Nov 20, 2022 1:27 PM ET

A potential Canadian military intervention in Haiti can't happen unless all political parties in the troubled nation agree to it, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Sunday.

Speaking from Tunisia on the final day of the two-day Francophonie summit, Trudeau announced $16.5 million to help stabilize Haiti, where gangs are strangling access to fuel and critical supplies amid a worsening cholera outbreak.

About half the money is going toward humanitarian aid, and some of the rest is intended to help weed out corruption and prosecute gender-based violence.

But Haiti's government has asked for an international military intervention to combat gangs who have strangled access to fuel and critical supplies in the middle of the outbreak.

The United States wants Canada to lead any military intervention.

Trudeau said Sunday that Canada is working with CARICOM, the organization of Caribbean governments, along with "various actors in Haiti from all different political parties" to get a consensus on how the international community can help.

"It is not enough for Haiti's government to ask for it," he said. "There needs to be a consensus across political parties in Haiti before we can move forward on more significant steps."

He did not rule out eventually establishing a Canadian military mission on the ground in Haiti.

"Canada is very open to playing an important role, but we must have a Haitian consensus," Trudeau said in French.

New sanctions on prominent former officials
A Global Affairs Canada assessment team sent to Haiti to establish some understanding of what is happening and what could help has already returned and provided a report at meetings Trudeau said he attended.

He said the response is complicated because many "political elites" and "oligarchs" in Haiti have used the country's humanitarian crises "to enrich themselves on the backs of the Haitian people."

"So that is why our approach now is not about doing what one political party or the government wants," Trudeau said. "It's calling for a level of consensus and coherence from all actors in Haiti to call for solutions that we can actually get behind and lead on as an international community."

On Saturday Canada expanded its economic sanctions freezing the Canadian assets of Haitian political elites to now include former president Michel Martelly and former prime ministers Laurent Lamothe and Jean-Henry Ceant.

Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly accused the trio of helping gangs undermine Haiti's current government and called on international partners to follow Canada's lead.

"Our goal is to make sure that these people that are profiting from the violence, that are part of a corrupted system, are facing accountability," she said.

Haitian Foreign Affairs Minister Jean Victor Geneus said the new sanctions put real consequences on those causing a "nightmare" in his country.

"These sanctions will have a dissuasive impact," he said in French, while seated between Trudeau and Joly.

Geneus said gangs are raping women and girls, preventing children from attending school and not letting sick people through roadblocks when they seek medical treatment. That means refugees are leaving for neighbouring islands.

"If the necessary conditions for safety are not re-established in a fast and urgent manner, a humanitarian catastrophe is possible in Haiti," he said in French.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-haiti-intervention-sanctions-1.6658254
 
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Yes. I am not confident that there will be any success.

There won’t be.

A month of teaching TCCC in Jamaica? There are worse gigs.
I used to teach the out of area medical portion of the UNMO course at PSTC Kingston (ON, not Jamaica) for awhile...had a couple JDF folks on one of the courses, 2 of the 3 did very well and great to work with...the third, a chopper pilot, looked up his nose at me and didn't feel he should be learning from a mere Cpl/MCpl...I say looked up his nose at me since there was a difference in stature. Mileage will vary I think - will be a two way street, attitudes of teachers and learners both will influence how it goes. In the meantime though, there's popcorn to be eaten...

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Reports from Thursday of an US couple shot and killed by gang members. Tragic and unfortunate, but I'm surprised it hasn't happened before.

The US missionaries killed in capital where violent gangs control 80% of city

Criminal gang members attacked the couple – along with a local mission group leader – after leaving a youth group in Haiti’s capital Port-au-Prince

Dnica Coto, Jim Salter 6 hours ago

A missionary couple from the US and the director of a mission group in Haiti were fatally shot by gang members after leaving a church youth group, a family member has said.

Davy and Natalie Lloyd, a young married couple from the US, as well as Jude Montis, the local director of Missions in Haiti Inc, and were killed on Thursday in the community of Lizon in northern Port-au-Prince.

Violent gangs that control 80% of the capital city while authorities await the arrival of a police force from Kenya as part of a U.N.-backed deployment aimed at quelling gang violence in the troubled Caribbean country.

Here are some things to know about the missionary work that focused on helping the children of Haiti, and the gang attack that took three lives.

WORKING IN HAITI

Missions in Haiti’s website says its goal is “to see the Gospel of Christ make a difference in the lives of Haiti’s young people.”

Davy Lloyd's parents, David and Alicia Lloyd of Oklahoma, started the organization in 2000 with the aim of focusing on the children of Haiti. David and Alicia Lloyd are full-time missionaries in Haiti.

“Although the entire nation is steeped in poverty, the children suffer the worst,” they wrote on the website. “Thousands are malnourished, uneducated, and headed for hopeless lives apart from Christ.”

Hannah Cornett, Davy’s sister, told The Associated Press that they grew up in Haiti. Davy Lloyd went to the U.S. to attend a Bible college and married Natalie in June 2022. After the wedding, the couple wasted little time moving to Haiti to do humanitarian work.

Cornett said Montis, a Haitian, had worked at Missions in Haiti for 20 years.

The organization's efforts include House of Compassion, which provides housing for 36 children — 18 boys and 18 girls, the website said. “All are destined to stay at House of Compassion until they have finished school and are ready to be on their own.”

Good Hope Boys’ Home provides a home for 22 boys, the website said. The organization also built a church, a bakery and a school with more than 240 students, the website said.

THE ATTACK

A Facebook posting on the Missions in Haiti page stated that Davy Lloyd, 23, and Natalie Lloyd, 21, along with some children, were leaving a church when gang members in three trucks ambushed them.

Davy Lloyd later called his family to tell them that gang members hit him on the head with the barrel of a gun, forced him upstairs, stole their belongings and left him tied up, Cornett said.

As people were helping untie Davy Lloyd, another group of armed gunmen showed up, Cornett said.
“No one understood what they were doing, not sure what took place but one was shot and killed and now this gang went into full attack mode,” Missions in Haiti's posting said.

The couple and Montis fled to a house connected to the mission.

“They tried to take cover in there, but the gang shot up the house,” said Cornett.

Ben Baker, Natalie Lloyd's father and a Republican state representative in Missouri, posted on Facebook on Friday that the bodies of Davy and Natalie Lloyd were safely transported to the U.S. Embassy.

GRIEVING FAMILIES

Cornett said Montis left behind two children, ages 2 and 6.

Montis’ family could not immediately be reached for comment Friday. It’s unclear if he used social media and, if so, whether his profiles are public. Missions in Haiti did not immediately return the AP's request for comment Friday.
Baker wrote on Facebook that his heart was broken “in a thousand pieces.”

“I’ve never felt this kind of pain,” Baker wrote. “Most of you know my daughter and son-in-law Davy and Natalie Lloyd are full time missionaries in Haiti. They were attacked by gangs this evening and were both killed. They went to Heaven together. Please pray for my family we desperately need strength. And please pray for the Lloyd family as well. I have no other words for now.”

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Haiti gang massacres at least 110 people in Cite Soleil, rights group says​


At least 110 people were killed over the weekend in Haiti's Cite Soleil slum when a gang leader targeted elderly people he suspected of causing his child's illness through witchcraft, the National Human Rights Defense Network (RNDDH) said on Sunday.

All the victims were aged over 60, the rights group said.

Wharf Jeremie gang leader Monel "Mikano" Felix ordered the massacre after his child became sick, RNDDH said, saying that he sought advice from a Voodoo priest who accused elderly people in the area of harming the child through witchcraft.

 
Whoa...


Haiti gang massacres at least 110 people in Cite Soleil, rights group says​


At least 110 people were killed over the weekend in Haiti's Cite Soleil slum when a gang leader targeted elderly people he suspected of causing his child's illness through witchcraft, the National Human Rights Defense Network (RNDDH) said on Sunday.

All the victims were aged over 60, the rights group said.

Wharf Jeremie gang leader Monel "Mikano" Felix ordered the massacre after his child became sick, RNDDH said, saying that he sought advice from a Voodoo priest who accused elderly people in the area of harming the child through witchcraft.

Man, I know interventions are a last resort but does the north American community ever need to occupy and rout these gangs. This shit is insane.
 
Send the DEI crowd to explain how diversity will make it all better…

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It is more so a testament to the strength of a society that DEI is even discussed. Haiti probably doesn’t talk about it much because they’re too busy trying to survive.

If you’re living hand-to-mouth, you’re not likely thinking about how to make your society better.
 
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It is more so a testament to the strength of a society that DEI is even discussed. Haiti probably doesn’t talk about it much because they’re too busy trying to survive.

If you’re living hand-to-mouth, you’re not likely thinking about how to make your society better.

First world problems...
 
First world problems...
Exactly.

And I’m not saying it dismissively. Same with things like “what to get my kids for Christmas and whether it will be as good as what other kids get”.

DEI initiatives have an underlying assumption that the society’s foundations are going well.
 
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It is more so a testament to the strength of a society that DEI is even discussed. Haiti probably doesn’t talk about it much because they’re too busy trying to survive.

If you’re living hand-to-mouth, you’re not likely thinking about how to make your society better.
I was being facetious.
 
The Kenyans won't be able to accomplish anything of value in Haiti. When I was there in 2014, I learned alot about the Haitian people. First, as a people, they are prideful and complicated. Second, they hate Africans. They see them as inferior for not being able to shake of the shackles of colonialism like Haiti had. Lastly, there is no longer a middle class. You either are rich, or dirt poor. And because there is no middle class, the dirt poor see the only way to get ahead is through crime and corruption. As they succeed in becoming rich, the only way to stay there is to continue the crime and corruption to keep the coffers full.

All the UN ever did was prop up systems that didn't work, breed corruption, and exacerbate the situation. What we actually need to do is pull out of the country, and let Haitians and the diaspora in North America find the solution that will work best for them. Once they figure it out for themselves, outside nations can engage and see how we can engage them as a civil society.
 
The Kenyans won't be able to accomplish anything of value in Haiti. When I was there in 2014, I learned alot about the Haitian people. First, as a people, they are prideful and complicated. Second, they hate Africans. They see them as inferior for not being able to shake of the shackles of colonialism like Haiti had. Lastly, there is no longer a middle class. You either are rich, or dirt poor. And because there is no middle class, the dirt poor see the only way to get ahead is through crime and corruption. As they succeed in becoming rich, the only way to stay there is to continue the crime and corruption to keep the coffers full.

All the UN ever did was prop up systems that didn't work, breed corruption, and exacerbate the situation. What we actually need to do is pull out of the country, and let Haitians and the diaspora in North America find the solution that will work best for them. Once they figure it out for themselves, outside nations can engage and see how we can engage them as a civil society.

Now, now....the UN was likely responsible for the historic Cholera epidemic too ;)



After the devastating outbreak of cholera in Haiti in mid-October 2010, several hypotheses have emerged regarding the origin of the outbreak. Some articles and media reports pointed to the United Nations peacekeepers from Nepal as the source. Piarroux et al. drew a similar conclusion from their epidemiologic study (1). Nepal did experience an outbreak of cholera during August–October 2010, in which 72 cases of infection with Vibrio cholerae O1, serotype Ogawa, were confirmed, mostly among young adult males. The cases peaked from mid-September to early October (Figure; Figure A1), and no deaths occurred. Despite this similarity in timing, I believe several points need to be considered before a firm conclusion is reached.

 
The Kenyans won't be able to accomplish anything of value in Haiti. When I was there in 2014, I learned alot about the Haitian people. First, as a people, they are prideful and complicated. Second, they hate Africans. They see them as inferior for not being able to shake of the shackles of colonialism like Haiti had. Lastly, there is no longer a middle class. You either are rich, or dirt poor. And because there is no middle class, the dirt poor see the only way to get ahead is through crime and corruption. As they succeed in becoming rich, the only way to stay there is to continue the crime and corruption to keep the coffers full.

All the UN ever did was prop up systems that didn't work, breed corruption, and exacerbate the situation. What we actually need to do is pull out of the country, and let Haitians and the diaspora in North America find the solution that will work best for them. Once they figure it out for themselves, outside nations can engage and see how we can engage them as a civil society.
State building may actually work in Haiti as the key to the situation is developing an actual middle class. It certainly won't be easy though, their natural distrust of the middle class goes back all the way to the days of Dessalines who despised the "mulâtres".
 
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