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Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

Brad Sallows

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I don't think he was "casting" his stones...unless that's some term of art I haven't heard yet.
 

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Interesting article on the impact of the border blockades. In that the Liberal government has invoked Cabinet Confidence on discussions regarding the EA, our chances of knowing the full justification behind it are scant.
 

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Interesting article on the impact of the border blockades. In that the Liberal government has invoked Cabinet Confidence on discussions regarding the EA, our chances of knowing the full justification behind it are scant.
Well the AG said one reason was because CBC stated there was foreign funding, so... the government paid media outlet being part of the basis for government enacting extraordinary powers on it's citizens.
 

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Well the AG said one reason was because CBC stated there was foreign funding, so... the government paid media outlet being part of the basis for government enacting extraordinary powers on it's citizens.
Yes, when $45M in trade goes across at Coutts daily, and $400M daily at the Ambassador bridge, the GoC needed a CBC article to have a justification to ensure free right of passage across our sovereign border crossing.

The why aside, the implementation of the EA was undeniably effective at clearing the convoy from Ottawa and getting the border crossings opened back up. A lot of that could have happened without the EA, but seems like the EA allowed a lot of the weird police jursidicational issues in Ottawa to get put to the side.

Cabinet Confidence can get waived no problem, so really depends how transparent the PMO wants to be with the inquiry. If there was specific intelligence might be good reasons not to have that public, but some kind of precis should be a reasonable compromise.

Of course, the inquiry will turn into an empty, superficial political point and soundbite contest with no real results, so not holding my breath.
 

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Yes, when $45M in trade goes across at Coutts daily, and $400M daily at the Ambassador bridge, the GoC needed a CBC article to have a justification to ensure free right of passage across our sovereign border crossing.

Exactly. So why use the CBC at all? Let alone make it sound like a major justifying factor.


Cabinet Confidence can get waived no problem, so really depends how transparent the PMO wants to be with the inquiry.

2+ years down the to we can expect black pieces of paper, an inquiry where not all witnesses were called, and not all stories get told.
 
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@PuckChaser Did you read the article? Sure, traffic got through, but added long delays (6 hours +) to each and every trip, so the hauling companies took a big hit to the pocket, and that's a hell of a jump for the workday for the drivers. That's unsustainable.

Also got the car companies looking at their just in time logisitics system across the border, which was already under scrutiny from COVID. Things stopped hard for a few days which impacted production, but wouldn't be surprised to see more plants close down over time and move out of Canada to specifically ensure the supply chain isn't impacted by border issues.

The dollar amount is more of an indication of the amount of trade that is re-routed, but just because it eventually got through, doesn't mean there aren't real costs, just that it's really hard to put a number on. At the end of the day, it's our sovereign border, and it's entirely within the GoC responsibility to make sure it's under their control. The EA might have been a sledgehammer, but it did work.

Rights to protest don't overrule others rights to work, so shutting down the busiest border crossing that has a massive amount of daily trade in an area with a tightly integrated cross border manufacturing sector was a selfish move to start with and should have been jumped on sooner. Generally stupid move as well, as the autoworkers might have rumbled them anyway if it went much longer.
 

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You're right, so every rail blockade, highway protest and pipeline protest should result in Emergencies Act being used and bank accounts frozen without warrant. Heck, should use Emergencies Act to stop union protest picket lines too.

Inconvienced does not mean we should throw away the rule of law.
 

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The dollar amount is more of an indication of the amount of trade that is re-routed, but just because it eventually got through, doesn't mean there aren't real costs, just that it's really hard to put a number on. At the end of the day, it's our sovereign border, and it's entirely within the GoC responsibility to make sure it's under their control. The EA might have been a sledgehammer, but it did work.
For the record…or more correctly, to note the record, the Windsor blockade was resolved through established means via an Ontario Supreme Court injunction (11 Feb) and Windsor Police Services and supporting services clearing the blockade within 48 hours (13 Feb)…all BEFORE the Federal government enacted the EA.

So we know that the EA was not necessary. It only served to provide some Maskirovka for the disfunctional political-police interaction in the National Capital Region.

Heck, 21-year old Zexi Ali and her injunction to stop horns blaring was more effective than the Fed-Prov-City bickering that went on.
 

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No, there are already existing laws for preventing blockades on major traffic arteries; they should simply be applied evenly.

Picketers protesting their own employer as part of a labour strike is a targeted action, protestors randomly blocking the borders because reasons is just stupid, and demonstrates a bit of a lack of understanding on basic Canadian civics anyway.

Everyone's individual rights needs to be balanced against the rights of others, and a right to peaceful protest isn't an unlimited one.

This whole protest was really a lost opportunity; they had enough numbers and dedication to be effective, but instead they behaved like tantruming children, targeted the wrong levels of government, and managed to actively lose the large amount of public sympathy they had at the start by just being bellends. The spouting of random conspiracy theories, calls to overthrow the democratically elected government just because they don't like Trudeau, and association with white supremacists and other nutjobs turned the whole thing into a joke.
 

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For the record…or more correctly, to note the record, the Windsor blockade was resolved through established means via an Ontario Supreme Court injunction (11 Feb) and Windsor Police Services and supporting services clearing the blockade within 48 hours (13 Feb)…all BEFORE the Federal government enacted the EA.

Was starting to wonder if anyone remembered that.

When arguing that "X" contributed to "Y", it's best that there actually be an arrow of causation from "X" to "Y".
 

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Inconvienced does not mean we should throw away the rule of law.
True, but the convoy types certainly did do exactly that to voice their displeasure at being inconvenienced by pandemic measures. Works both ways.
 

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For the record…or more correctly, to note the record, the Windsor blockade was resolved through established means via an Ontario Supreme Court injunction (11 Feb) and Windsor Police Services and supporting services clearing the blockade within 48 hours (13 Feb)…all BEFORE the Federal government enacted the EA.

So we know that the EA was not necessary.
Agreed, with the caveat that the Provinces acted to resolve issues that fell under their jurisdiction in a timely manner. It was a game of chicken that JT lost.
 

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Agreed, with the caveat that the Provinces acted to resolve issues that fell under their jurisdiction in a timely manner. It was a game of chicken that JT lost.
I am starting to wonder if government at least the federal side of it forgotten how to deal with crisis. Get them away from day to day operations and they seem to freeze up.
It's not just the political side either the civil service seems almost lost when something like this happens.
 
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