Canada needs a climate-emergency response team

[ArmyRick]

Co-founder of Green Peace with a very interesting message. Not what you think

 

[Good2Golf]

Co-founder of Green Peace with a very interesting message. Not what you think

He should stay away from open windows…and Schwab’s ecohenchmen

 

[Spencer100]

He should stay away from open windows…and Schwab’s ecohenchmen

They have pretty much removed any memory of Patrick Moore from Greenpeace. He was quoted by the Trump so he not getting any invites to parties or global confabs.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Co-founder of Green Peace with a very interesting message. Not what you think

OMG!!!!

 

[Spencer100]

OMG!!!!

They are not big fans of each other LOL

Climate Deniers Launch Personal Attacks on Teen Activist

They also bash Greta Thunberg's autism, creating collateral damage for others

www.scientificamerican.com

Patrick Moore, chairman of the board of directors of the CO2 Coalition, which promotes the benefits of carbon dioxide, wrote on Twitter that "Greta=Evil." In an interview with E&E News, Moore denied that his numerous mentions of Thunberg's autism in media appearances and on social media were attacks on her disability but that he instead was "comparing her masters to Hitler."

 

[OldSolduer]

The Eco Commissars will have you set out to rot - except that releases more CO2 into the atmosphere so.....

 

[RangerRay]

If provinces keep cutting their emergency response systems, such as wildfire management, they will rely more on the CAF to bail them out when the SHTF.

BTW, this is an all partisan issue. No one wants to pay for rough people and expensive equipment to protect them.

Opinion: Alberta had one of the best wildfire programs in the world. Budget cuts have left the province at risk

Government cuts to Alberta Wildfire left communities at risk

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

One wonders what factors are at work which prompt goverments to cut stuff.

 

[daftandbarmy]

One wonders what factors are at work which prompt goverments to cut stuff.

 

[CBH99]

If provinces keep cutting their emergency response systems, such as wildfire management, they will rely more on the CAF to bail them out when the SHTF.

BTW, this is an all partisan issue. No one wants to pay for rough people and expensive equipment to protect them.

Opinion: Alberta had one of the best wildfire programs in the world. Budget cuts have left the province at risk

Government cuts to Alberta Wildfire left communities at risk

www.theglobeandmail.com

Absolutely mind boggling that in an age where fire season seems to start earlier & earlier, and end up with bigger fires threatening more communities — this is the area governments across the board choose to cut

It isn’t an occasional thing. Every year, we have massive forest fires. Every year, there is flooding in various parts of Manitoba, Quebec, etc. Every year, there are hurricanes/super windy storms that knock out power to various parts of the Maritimes.

Why cut stuff when you KNOW you’ll be relying on it annually?

 

[lenaitch]

Not just Alberta it seems.

From the link;

"In Chapleau, there are 4 fire crews set to operate this season, down from 10 last season."

Ontario has been beating up the MNRF (or its variously-named versions) budget for years. Conservation Officers - the handful that are left - get a monthly 'mileage'/fuel allotment to consider when they get a complaint. The Ministry dumps all of their after hours calls to the police.

One wonders what factors are at work which prompt goverments to cut stuff.

That's am easy one: to have money to buy votes. Voting density is in the urban ridings and urban dwellers care about different things.

 

[Quirky]

Canadian military to help fight Nova Scotia wildfires amid ‘unprecedented’ season | Globalnews.ca

Canadian Armed Forces will help Nova Scotia's officials with planning and coordination, ignition specialist personnel and equipment, and other firefighting resources.

globalnews.ca

Canadian Armed Forces will assist provincial emergency management officials with planning and coordination supports, ignition specialist personnel and equipment, and other firefighting resources.

“These additional firefighting resources will be used to relieve firefighters who’ve been working tirelessly around the clock to protect communities right across Nova Scotia,” he said.

Another province unprepared to handle local emergencies......Call the CAF!

“Poor planning on your part does not necessitate an emergency on mine.”​

― Bob Carter

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Who would have ever thought Patrick Moore would become an ally.

 

[foresterab]

Canadian military to help fight Nova Scotia wildfires amid ‘unprecedented’ season | Globalnews.ca

Canadian Armed Forces will help Nova Scotia's officials with planning and coordination, ignition specialist personnel and equipment, and other firefighting resources.

globalnews.ca

Another province unprepared to handle local emergencies......Call the CAF!

“Poor planning on your part does not necessitate an emergency on mine.”​

― Bob Carter

Was talking with some Maritime origin coworkers and a out of province resource regarding the size of the NS fires and how it compares impact wise.

20,000 ha in western Canada is nothing abnormal...to be expected and to have multiple is common. But out east, where they don't have the same fire regime...is that the same as adding a 0? It's a upper percentile condition that has to be greater than hitting a 200,000 ha fire out west...and basically once you hit around a 500,000 ha fire Canada is tapped out of resources normally. Last fire guys could recall of major size out in the Martimes (and I probably have this wrong but its' due to lack of background out there) was the Great Miramichi Fire.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1825_Miramichi_fire

So what level do you staff your agency too? 90th percentile risk? You can't afford to staff for 100% risk as most of the time resources will be under utilized and that's a ton of resources. I have to guess Nova Scotia right now is in the very very high upper 90's percentile conditions to get fires this big.

Either way this year you have multiple provinces maxed out and nationally there are no available resources which is also unusual to have so many jurisdictions burning at the same time. International assistance is rolling in on top of CAF help but I shudder to think how many bodies would be required to fight all these fires right now. We are not talking hundreds but thousands of trained firefighters needed.

 

[DBNSG]

Was talking with some Maritime origin coworkers and a out of province resource regarding the size of the NS fires and how it compares impact wise.

20,000 ha in western Canada is nothing abnormal...to be expected and to have multiple is common. But out east, where they don't have the same fire regime...is that the same as adding a 0? It's a upper percentile condition that has to be greater than hitting a 200,000 ha fire out west...and basically once you hit around a 500,000 ha fire Canada is tapped out of resources normally. Last fire guys could recall of major size out in the Martimes (and I probably have this wrong but its' due to lack of background out there) was the Great Miramichi Fire.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1825_Miramichi_fire

So what level do you staff your agency too? 90th percentile risk? You can't afford to staff for 100% risk as most of the time resources will be under utilized and that's a ton of resources. I have to guess Nova Scotia right now is in the very very high upper 90's percentile conditions to get fires this big.

Either way this year you have multiple provinces maxed out and nationally there are no available resources which is also unusual to have so many jurisdictions burning at the same time. International assistance is rolling in on top of CAF help but I shudder to think how many bodies would be required to fight all these fires right now. We are not talking hundreds but thousands of trained firefighters needed.

A further point is the largest full time Fire department in Nova Scotia is Halifax regional Municipality's. They have been fully committed since Sunday night and the boys usually work a 24 on 72 off shift. Most of Rural N.S. rely on Volunteers and they are tapped out especially in the Barrington fire . Home BTW to the richest Lobster grounds in the World.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Was talking with some Maritime origin coworkers and a out of province resource regarding the size of the NS fires and how it compares impact wise.

20,000 ha in western Canada is nothing abnormal...to be expected and to have multiple is common. But out east, where they don't have the same fire regime...is that the same as adding a 0? It's a upper percentile condition that has to be greater than hitting a 200,000 ha fire out west...and basically once you hit around a 500,000 ha fire Canada is tapped out of resources normally. Last fire guys could recall of major size out in the Martimes (and I probably have this wrong but its' due to lack of background out there) was the Great Miramichi Fire.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1825_Miramichi_fire

So what level do you staff your agency too? 90th percentile risk? You can't afford to staff for 100% risk as most of the time resources will be under utilized and that's a ton of resources. I have to guess Nova Scotia right now is in the very very high upper 90's percentile conditions to get fires this big.

Either way this year you have multiple provinces maxed out and nationally there are no available resources which is also unusual to have so many jurisdictions burning at the same time. International assistance is rolling in on top of CAF help but I shudder to think how many bodies would be rection.ourse correquired to fight all these fires right now. We are not talking hundreds but thousands of trained firefighters needed.

The lack of big fires in previous years can add up to one, big, course correction courtesy of Mother Nature, especially if you do a really good job of suppressing natural fire activity and limit prescribed burning.

Time to 'pay the piper' as they say, which isn't very comforting.

Having said that, the fire people are pretty slick at sharing/ bringing in resources from across the country/continent/globe.

Don't be surprised of you see some Mexicans show up on your doorstep, for example, as they have some pretty great fire suppression crews, apparently.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

No proof, just a gut feel. I think a lot of these fires are intentionally set. And not by pyromaniacs, but people who want to drain resources and make governments spend millions. I'll stop short of calling it sabotage.

 

[Maxman1]

Or just irresponsible people leaving campfires unattended.

 

[Quirky]

No proof, just a gut feel. I think a lot of these fires are intentionally set. And not by pyromaniacs, but people who want to drain resources and make governments spend millions. I'll stop short of calling it sabotage.

The press conference this morning blamed climate change on the fires. We are clearly going to see more carbon tax increases to mitigate future fires.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Or just irresponsible people leaving campfires unattended.

60% Lightening (most of it invisible to the naked eye), 40% Humans...

What causes wildfire

Learn about what causes wildfires in B.C. Most wildfires in B.C. are caused by lightning. Approximately 40% of wildfires in B.C. are caused by humans. Human caused fires are important because they are preventable.

www2.gov.bc.ca