Cadets Won‘t March

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Posted by "Jason King" <indian_jew@hotmail.com> on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 15:33:40 -0500
Adam,
Thanks for bringing up something about the gear. It‘s no secret around here
that those who are connected get what they want. We recieve our supplies
from Winnipeg, but in terms of quality we get screwed over since the city
squadrons always get first pick. For years we have been tryng to get enough
IMP‘s for our survival exercises, some of our cadets were sent down to Shilo
for a survival exercise with a WPG. squadron and were amazed at all that
they had, food and otherwise although I‘ll concede that the supply
situation has gotten better.
Jason
>From: Adam Wainwright
>Reply-To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
>To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
>Subject: Re: Cadets Won‘t March
>Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 00:29:12 -0700
>
>Jason,
> Many thanks for your supurb response. I to am an Air Cadet, I talk in
>army
>terms here, to avoid confusion I agree with all of the points that you
>brought
>up. Your points about the novelty wearing off could not be more true! I
>do
>strongly agree that cadets should be more militarized instead of less. Not
>to
>train cadets as soilders but to provide a challange for them. Throughout
>my
>time I have found that I was always attracted to the challanges. And many
>people like to be challanged, espically teenagers. Living on the west
>coast, I
>compleatly echo your thoughts about CHAP and this ‘way ahead process‘.
>Sure,
>its great for the Ottawa squardons that get all that cool gear now but when
>we
>see it on the coast in 10 years it should be nice. I do know that this
>happens,
>I have a close friend that was the CWO of 872 for a few years and they had
>it
>all. Gore-tex jackets to test and all the new uniform ideas. Oh well,
>they
>were the best times of those years. Sad that they don‘t make cadets like
>they
>used to. I would love to chat if you have some time.
>
>best regards to all
>
>-adam
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Posted by "Jason King" <indian_jew@hotmail.com> on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 16:05:17 -0500
I agree with you that most of the public supports the CCM, however I still
think Col. Hardy and others are wrong to throw up a protest over something
like this. This "problem" was not created by specific complaints from
outside indivuduals, it was created and "solved" by senior people within the
cadet movement.
Hopefully, if some misinformed person wrote their MP about "child soldiers"
marching through the streets others like those who post here would write
their own MP‘s too. If it‘s like anything else with our military it‘ll be
ignored by most. I don‘t know how much damage one or two letters could do.
MP‘s put effort into things if they believe it‘s popular in their riding. We
can‘t go on altering traditions and beliefs in cadets or the military for
fear of a few uninformed people.
Jason
>From: "F. A."
>Reply-To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
>To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
>Subject: Re: Cadets Won‘t March
>Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 10:25:21 -0600
>
>Jason and all,
>
>
> It‘s a funny thing... 20 years ago when I was an army cadet,
>we had
>the same comments in so many words, being made from people in the same
>positions. Much of this can be attributed to the civilianization of NDHQ.
>When
>you have liberal appointed civilian masters with a liberal-socialist elite
>view
>of the rest of us, naturally you‘ll have this form of pandering. I hold Col
>Hardy in high respect. What he said is accurate. It‘s all about perception
>and
>the squeaky wheel: One or two entirely misinformed, pacifists with nothing
>better to do, phone their MP to complain about something they know nothing
>about
>and... tada!
> However, if you were to take a country-wide poll, based on
>facts, an
>overwhelming majority would support the cadet movement, what it stands for
>and
>what it produces. Sadly the facts are misconstrued by some individuals
>apparently with an axe to grind. Ignorance is bliss.
>
>rant-mode off
>
>Francois Arseneault
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Posted by Beth MacFarlane <elljay@nbnet.nb.ca> on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:14:47 -0300
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Right On!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Beth
"F. A." wrote:
> Eric,
>
> Well Said!!
>
> Francois
>
>
> Eric Cozens wrote:
>
>> G‘Day All!
>> There are more and more items that prompt me to emerge from my
>> ‘lurker‘ position and the issue of Warrior‘s Day is one of them.
>> I am horrified to note that a person who has achieved the honour and
>> distinction of being a Colonel voices thoughts to which he is
>> entitled, purporting them to be those of the populace at large.
>> Only the misinformed and those ignorant of the actual role, aims and
>> objectives of the Cadet movement could be expected to offer such an
>> opinion. For what it is worth I offer my thoughts and include an
>> update on the furor:
>>
>> LCol Jack Lee Ret‘d, ex Commanding Officer of 709 Toronto
>> Communication Regiment, is also President of the CNE‘s Warriors Day
>> Parade Council. It all started back in 2000 when the Parade
>> executives found that there were fewer Cadets parading. During the
>> off season the Parade executive decided to take a proactive approach
>> by consulting with the Cadet League. and D- Cadets DND‘s area of
>> responsibility to obtain more support for the 2001 Parade. In that
>> approach Col Lee made a Powerpoint presentation to inform those
>> concerned of the history, reasons for continuance and objectives of
>> the Warriors Day Parade. The Area Cadet Office shared the
>> presentation with Central Regional Area Cadets in Borden. The CO
>> the Central Region initially decided that Cadet youths are NOT to be
>> seen as Warriors and that D Cadets will not support the Parade
>> unless the Council change the name and drop the term "Warrior" The
>> CO was informed that an eighty year old tradition would not be
>> changed just to support his personal perception.
>> Col Lee then consulted with General Legge and General Lewis and also
>> the Army Cadet League in Toronto. Thanks to Marion McDonald of the
>> Army Cadet League, the CO of Central Area was convinced to give the
>> Warrior‘s Day a years grace and support for the year 2001.
>> The Western Fair Warrior‘s Day had the same concern and they changed
>> the name to 2001 Veteran‘s Day hardly appropriate releasing the
>> information to the various organizations who normally take part in
>> the Parade. A concerned Veteran in Ottawa wrote the Ottawa Citizen
>> and that‘s when the ‘Citizen‘ championed the cause. Through several
>> interviews the ‘Citizen‘ published a scathing article about the
>> D-Cadets requesting a change of the Parade name. The article made
>> the front page in the National Post June 5. Several Talk Shows had
>> veterans calling in to voice dismay. Col Lee was on camera with
>> Global TV regarding this matter as well.
>> The Warriors Day Parade Council has unanimously voted that the
>> Warrior‘s Day Parade name will remain unchanged until there is no
>> one left to parade. Some as they are entitled may observe all of
>> this as a "storm in a teacup". However my own view, for what it is
>> worth is that this is just another item which albeit indirectly is
>> contributing to the image of a military force of lesser
>> consequence. As I have stated ad nauseum, we need more and more to
>> develop that which is positive about the Army and the Forces in
>> general. If the Cadets are not to be viewed in a military light
>> then why are they called Army, Air Force or Navy Cadets? I had the
>> honour to be present at the Annual Inspection of the 2605 Cadets at
>> FYA recently and I was impressed with the great turnout and the
>> "pomp and circumstance" with such traditions as the presentation of
>> Awards for developed skills and achievement to the presentation of
>> the Sword and appointment of the new RSM . What is really
>> significant is the pride and self assurance of the Cadets
>> themselves. I know how much they enjoy and are proud of their
>> affiliation to a Regiment and the involvement in military affairs.
>> Shame on those who pander to the petty and unsupported views of what
>> at least I perceive as a minority.
>>
>> Thanks for reading this - back to the "lurkers lair"
>>
>> Eric Arte et Marte
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Right On!!!!!!!!!!
Bob amp Beth
"F. A." wrote:
Eric,
Well Said!!
Francois
Eric Cozens wrote:
G‘Day All!
There are more and more items
that prompt me to emerge from my ‘lurker‘ position and the issue of Warrior‘s
Day is one of them.
I am horrified to note that a
person who has achieved the honour and distinction of being a Colonel voices
thoughts to which he is entitled, purporting them to be those of the
populace at large. Only the misinformed and those ignorant of the
actual role, aims and objectives of the Cadet movement could be expected
to offer such an opinion. For what it is worth I offer my thoughts
and include an update on the furor:
LCol Jack Lee Ret‘d, ex Commanding
Officer of 709 Toronto Communication Regiment, is also President of the
CNE‘s Warriors Day Parade Council. It all started back in 2000 when
the Parade executives found that there were fewer Cadets parading.
During the off season the Parade executive decided to take a proactive
approach by consulting with the Cadet League. and D- Cadets DND‘s area
of responsibility to obtain more support for the 2001 Parade. In
that approach Col Lee made a Powerpoint presentation to inform those concerned
of the history, reasons for continuance and objectives of the Warriors
Day Parade. The Area Cadet Office shared the presentation with Central
Regional Area Cadets in Borden. The CO the Central Region initially
decided that Cadet youths are NOT to be seen as Warriors and that D Cadets
will not support the Parade unless the Council change the name and drop
the term "Warrior" The CO was informed that an eighty year old tradition
would not be changed just to support his personal perception.
Col Lee then consulted with General
Legge and General Lewis and also the Army Cadet League in Toronto.
Thanks to Marion McDonald of the Army Cadet League, the CO of Central Area
was convinced to give the Warrior‘s Day a years grace and support for the
year 2001.
The Western Fair Warrior‘s Day
had the same concern and they changed the name to 2001 Veteran‘s Day
hardly appropriate releasing the information to the various organizations
who normally take part in the Parade. A concerned Veteran in Ottawa
wrote the Ottawa Citizen and that‘s when the ‘Citizen‘ championed the cause.
Through several interviews the ‘Citizen‘ published a scathing article about
the D-Cadets requesting a change of the Parade name. The article
made the front page in the National Post June 5. Several Talk Shows
had veterans calling in to voice dismay. Col Lee was on camera with
Global TV regarding this matter as well.
The Warriors Day Parade Council
has unanimously voted that the Warrior‘s Day Parade name will remain unchanged
until there is no one left to parade. Some as they are entitled
may observe all of this as a "storm in a teacup". However my own
view, for what it is worth is that this is just another item which albeit
indirectly is contributing to the image of a military force of lesser
consequence. As I have stated ad nauseum, we need more and
more to develop that which is positive about the Army and the Forces in
general. If the Cadets are not to be viewed in a military light then
why are they called Army, Air Force or Navy Cadets? I had the honour
to be present at the Annual Inspection of the 2605 Cadets at FYA recently
and I was impressed with the great turnout and the "pomp and circumstance"
with such traditions as the presentation of Awards for developed skills
and achievement to the presentation of the Sword and appointment of the
new RSM . What is really significant is the pride and self assurance
of the Cadets themselves. I know how much they enjoy and are
proud of their affiliation to a Regiment and the involvement in military
affairs. Shame on those who pander to the petty and unsupported views
of what at least I perceive as a minority.
Thanks for reading this - back
to the "lurkers lair"
Eric Arte et Marte
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:01:12 EDT
Thanks, Eric, for saying what the vast majority of us would like to say, so
well.
Matt
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Posted by Adam Wainwright <ajmw@home.com> on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:50:58 -0700
Thanks Matt.
Juno847627709@aol.com wrote:
> Here‘s wishing my former RSM mirrored you two a little more.
>
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