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Allowances - Post Living Differential (PLD) [MERGED]

SeaKingTacco

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I am not sure extra/better PLD will improve much if there is still limited to no rental or purchase housing stock in a location.

I think the better long term solution is to actually fix the abysmal Single Quarters/RHU situation at most bases.
 

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Also on Post down here the Base Exchange has cheap fuel, and a variety of other items that are taxed significantly lower than off post.

But having seen both sides of the coin, CAF members generally have it much better financially at the NCO ranks than US Mil Pers.

That said the on post living quantity and quality is significantly better down here.

Some of the PXs I’ve been too were very impressive and more like a mid to small mall vice what our CANEX offers, not to mention Commissary.

Large ones that come to mind; Sigonella, Kadena (probably overall the most impressive; you could buy cars there IIRC) and Yokota.

 
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Some of the PXs I’ve been too were very impressive and more like a mid to small mall vice what our CANEX, not to mention Commissary.

Large ones that come to mind; Siginella, Kadena (probably overall the most impressive; you could buy cars there IIRC) and Yokota.

Bases down here are almost isolated City States for many purposes -- entirely self contained in the fact that they can exist with little exterior interaction if you live on Post.
 

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Bases down here are almost isolated City States for many purposes -- entirely self contained in the fact that they can exist with little exterior interaction if you live on Post.
Fort Ord was like that. So is Fort Irwin which has to be. Fort Carson was also impressive.

Adding: I was particularly impressed with the low prices and availability of consumer goods including beer, cigarettes etc. You know the essentials of infantry life.
 

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Went through a bit of math calculations between a CAF MCpl in Gagetown and a US Army Sgt in Fort Bragg after Federal and Provincial taxes a CAF MCpl is Sitting at about 37500 USD a year without R&Q with R&Q around 30000 USD a US Army Sgt after taxes is sitting at around 28000 but if receiving BAH it bumps him up to almost 46000 USD he's getting around 1500 a month tax free and that really makes the difference.
The big difference is that if that Sgt is ordered from Bragg to Washington DC his BAH goes from 1500 to 2400 per month. If posted to San Francisco it would be 4800 per month.

If that MCpl is posted from Gagetown (one of our most affordable large bases) to Ottawa (one of our least affordable) — he gets nothing.
 

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The big difference is that if that Sgt is ordered from Bragg to Washington DC his BAH goes from 1500 to 2400 per month. If posted to San Francisco it would be 4800 per month.

If that MCpl is posted from Gagetown (one of our most affordable large bases) to Ottawa (one of our least affordable) — he gets nothing.
Or conversely, he gets posted from Edmonton (in receipt of PLD, in an amount from a time when it was needed) to Kingston (where the CoL has increased 7 fold since 2009) and receives nothing.

"PLD is an Allowance and should be factored into housing costs or counted as income..." or something of the like.
 

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Bases down here are almost isolated City States for many purposes -- entirely self contained in the fact that they can exist with little exterior interaction if you live on Post.
Yup. NAS Sigonella was like that.

You go through the gates and you feel like you're in a base in the US. I can't remember if they took Euro or USD (probably both).

It was really weird to experience that.
 

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So...to loop it to the article and the obvious anger being caused (just read the Reddit threads - it's not pretty)...

What can realistically be done?

I'm not sure what priority PLD has with TB, and what they would do with it. Same with increasing pay. Same with building new housing.

Even after the article came out and MND was asked in an interview, none of the opposition parties even brought it up (or at least I missed it). You'd think that this is a complete softball for the CPC, especially during a leadership race right now.

Do we end up with a bunch of homeless military members and families? Or, more correctly, a mass exodus of CAF members?
 

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Do we end up with a bunch of homeless military members and families? Or, more correctly, a mass exodus of CAF members?

Likely both as each family situation is different. My guess is anyone close enough to pension will just go IR or anyone over the hump will just retire instead of being financially crippled. Dark times indeed.
 

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Maybe, but I have noticed a tendancy (including amongst NCO who need to be inspired by individuals by those who have commissioned and achieved success) to see that Maj or LCol with with two clasps and ask what he did to fail. Meanwhile, in response to my question as to whether the naval warfare officer badge communicates anything that cannot be inferred between an individual’s rank and the sea service badge over the opposite pocket.


I commissioned from the ranks, have two clasps, and ended up as a LCol. I don’t consider that a fail.
 

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Yup. NAS Sigonella was like that.

You go through the gates and you feel like you're in a base in the US. I can't remember if they took Euro or USD (probably both).

It was really weird to experience that.

Yokota...the TLFs "transients living facilities" were these big apt buildings. 4 of us had a 'apt'...seperate bedrooms. full kitchen with all appliances. living room, TV....you name it. And not just 1 or 2 TLFs...lots. Never would have guessed you were on the west side of Tokyo...IMG_3845.JPG
 

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"PLD is an Allowance and should NOT be factored into housing costs or counted as income..."

That is what it should read. Don't budget on PLD as it can be taken away at anytime. Makes it a bit difficult though when you say this is to help with the COL difference but don't count on it.
 
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